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Scientists Offer Genetic Theory On Why Some People Are Gay…

Dec, 12 2012 | Written by ATLien
Try as you might but there’s apparently no explaining the gay away.

Men in wigs and pumps are an overly extreme example of gay males and the same being said for women rocking male attire.

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A recent scientific study has been completed that actually re-inforces the notion that homosexuality is a trait that some just so happen to be born with.

According to the report, the source may actually lie in epigenetics, or how the expression of genes is controlled by “temporary switches” known as epi-marks.

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Sex-specific ‘epi-marks’ are usually ‘erased’ from generation to generation, but when they don’t disappear, they can result in homosexuality.

Researchers have long believed that sexual orientation had some hereditary component and now they may actually have the proof to back up their theories.

Details…
According to the NYDailyNews, homosexuality can finally be explained in scientific terms after scientists revealed they may have discovered the source of same-sex attraction.

In a study released Tuesday, researchers from the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis wrote that the answer of ‘why some people are gay’ may lie in epigenetics, or how the expression of genes is controlled by “temporary switches” known as epi-marks.

As stated above, sex-specific epi-marks are usually “erased” from generation to generation. But when they do not disappear, they can be passed from father to daughter or mother to son, resulting in homosexuality in children.

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“Transmission of sexually antagonistic epi-marks between generations is the most plausible evolutionary mechanism of the phenomenon of human homosexuality,” Sergey Gavrilets, the study’s co-author, said in a release.

Researchers have long believed that sexual orientation had some hereditary component.

However, scientists say that homosexuality, in terms of evolution, cannot be solely genetic, because the trait would eventually disappear given that homosexuals aren’t expected to reproduce.

Epi-marks, on the other hand, are thought to have an evolutionary advantage that keeps them within the population.

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For instance, some epi-marks work to protect a female fetus from becoming too masculine if testosterone spikes in late pregnancy.

“These epi-marks protect fathers and mothers from excess or underexposure to testosterone — when they carry over to opposite-sex offspring, it can cause the masculinization of females or the feminization of males,” William Rice, the study’s lead author, told U.S. News & World Report.

Rice said that epi-marks are “highly variable” and only those that are especially strong would potentially lead to homosexual children.

The evolutionary biologist said that while his theory still needs to be tested on parents and their children, it is the most plausible explanation so far.

“We’ve found a story that looks really good,” Rice said.

“This can be tested and proven within six months. It’s easy to test. If it’s a bad idea, we can throw it away in short order.”

I’ve always thought people were born that way, but what do I know… *shrug* They can offer all the explanations in the word and even provide solid proof, but I doubt that the debate will ever truly go away as to why some people are gay and some are not.

Which do YOU believe?

Is sexuality a “choice” made by an individual or is sexual preference already instilled in the genes prior to birth?
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- Loving This Site
  
  Live and let live. I just dont like when gay men convince themselves that they are ladies to the point where they are pulling off earing trying to fight people who were born women. You are still a man in a dress no matter how much makeup you put on. I love me some Ms. Dineva but if "she" get to squaring off then guess what boo boo you win, because I know better than to fight men.
  
  AK
  
  Dineva does not think he is a woman…that is an act for effect. If he thought he was a woman he would shave. Look how he dresses normally….
- Fredrick L. Bishop via Facebook
  
  As a gay man, I feel that being a homosexual is in you from birth. It was already inside of you at the time of your conception, it is who you truly are internally. Once you come of age and maturity as far as personal/sexual identity, how you respond to it and what you do with it is YOUR choice. BUT, you CANNOT feign attraction to the opposite sex or fake masculinity, or put up a facade in front of family/friends/co-workers/God without feeling like absolute crud. Everybody is not meant to be heterosexual. #My two cents
- Cassi Johnson-Dickerson via Facebook
  
  I truly believe some are born that way.
  
  honey
  
  yes i believe some and not all…..and i also believe most men were abused my men since they were little,so they grow up use to that,thinking their gay…but actually,they’re not.
  
  Dana T
  
  Honey:
  O Honey… Being abused has nothing to do with this. If people really understood, which I don’t expect for anyone to really want to know some of the dynamics in which we have see, sexual abuse like any other type of rape is a terrible experience. Just terrible…
  
  Dana T.
  
  AK
  
  Not abused at all. I don’t even know where people get that???? What about all the straight people who were abused????
- Precise Banks via Facebook
  
  People were born that way. Think about the ridicule and negativity gays face. Who wants to deal with that? Im sure if they could conform to what society considers normals and fight their attraction to the same sex they would.
  
  mrspresident
  
  Gay’s are not ridiculed now days. It’s the new in thing to be…which I believe negates many who claim to be born that way. Today’s society act like its cute…that’s why their all over t.v and you can’t express your discontent with having to see their blatant displays everywhere you look.
  
  Dana T
  
  mrspresident:
  
  All over t.v.? Naaa… It’s not in chic. The media only show one dimension of us. Even though I always say that men in dresses and heels and makeup are the front line they don’t represent all of us, shit, not even a large portion of us.
  
  Dana T.
- hotlantaboss
  
  Of course true gays are born that way, but it’s not quite that simple. There’s only a certain percentage of absolutes in terms of homosexuality. I am a gay man, born this way, and knew something "wasn’t quite right" at a very early age. But there are others (examples I know personally) who were in fact introduced to homosexuality- in some cases against their will via molestation etc. People who would’ve ended up living a typical heterosexual lifestyle if things didn’t happen early on to invoke their interest. There’s nothing stereotypically gay about them either, and in many if not most cases, they’re still attracted to women. Then there are others who identify themselves as straight, but "gay for pay" as it’s often coined. These men also have a healthy attraction to women, but "play around" with guys for monetary gain- i.e. strippers, trade etc.. Then you have your freak-a-leek’s- guys who like both women and men, just ho’ish! I’m saying all this to say that yes, true gays are born this way, but there’s a subset of individuals who engage in same sex activity, but do not necessarily fall under the proverbial "born gay" umbrella if that makes sense.
  
  hotdogsonthegrill
  
  Makes sense to me…you pretty much summed it all up
  
  Loving This Site
  
  Dont forget the women who have been scorned by men and decided to "go gay". Them AG girls flipping pretty chics like pancakes only for them to go back to men in like 3-5 years. See it all the time.
  
  Dana T
  
  hotlantaboss:
  
  Again, I don’t know dude…
  Being raped will have psychological and physical damage on you especially if you’re a little boy cause it’s such a violent act that I can’t see anyone growing up wanting to continue such a terrible thing being done to them over and over.
  I don’t dude…
  
  Dana T.
  
  mrspresident
  
  You may not agree but there are plenty of people who fall into this category. I have cousin who fits this and he is very honest about his past and how it has affected him, and being attracted to men is definitely one of those effects.
  
  Dana T
  
  mrspresident:
  
  Not to d value what happened to your cousin, but has it ever occurred to you guys that he uses that as an excuse so that you all will feel sorry or pity for him? So that you all will continue to love him either way?
  
  I don’t know dude…
  
  Dana T.
- Yessina Nicole
  
  I respect the out of the closet gays. Those down low men are the ones I’m worried about. In my home town some guy was murdered he had a girl friend who thought she was his one & only, come to find out he was creeping with a popular tranny(born man dress like female). The tranny has been all over twitter just putting it out there. I think its sick that ppl can’t be themselves in the world today. If you like men be with a man, point blank period don’t hide it.
- Doubting Thomas
  
  The next sound you’ll hear will be the Bible thumpers and religious extremists who are determined to make gays the scapegoat for all that is "immoral" in America and the rest of the world. Black people are at the head of the line in this regard. Black neighborhoods are rife with crime, kids are killing each other and selling drugs, racism is still rampant, and Black females commonly refer to themselves and each other as "hoes" and "bitches". And yet, let the Black preachers tell it, the biggest threat to Black society is a man wanting to marry another man. WTF?
  
  Eddie Long was one of those people. Truth is, there’s more whoring and man-on-man loving going on in the church than at any decadent nightclub in the country.
  
  Gotta love hypocrisy.
  
  WiserWords
  
  Amen!!!
  
  LXL
  
  Can you say that again? You deserve a double standing ovation for speaking the truth.
  
  Dana T
  
  Doubting Thomas:
  
  I freakin luv u… You are so on it.
  
  Dana T.
- *straight to the point*
  
  There is no scientific information in the world that can justify the reason why men are gay and women are lesbians. No one is BORN gay or a lesbian, that is just plain stupid. No child can assume that they are going to be gay after they are born. The decision is made when they get older and they are presented with certain situations. It always starts in the home; either the parents allow the boys to dress in their heels or put on make-up and just think of it as a joke, or they have been abused by another male in their family. The same with female as they get older. We all have a choice to make in life. You can either make the right or wrong choice, so don’t blame it on birth. Noone knows what they are going to grow up to be, until they are much older to make that decision.
  
  Nicole
  
  I agree! Get out of here with that bull. You can justify anything! They will piss on your head and Researchers will try to convince you it is rain water! Believe that crap if you want to! I rather believe what the Bible says and find out if it is wrong or right when Jesus comes! IJS My thoughts. Hate me if you want to! I don’t mind!
  
  Doubting Thomas
  
  WOW. What a stupid comment. I can’t understand how you draw the distinction between high heels and homosexuality. Not all gay men dress like Funky Dineva. Not all lesbians look like somebody’s uncle. And not everything comes down to choice. When do you recall "choosing" to be heterosexual? Either you are or you aren’t. Its not a matter of choice; its a matter of nature.
  
  Some animals practice both heterosexual and homosexual behavior. Are they "choosing" to?
  
  Guess what, no one chooses to be black, white or other. And no one chooses to be left handed or right handed either.
  
  Gay parents raise straight children; and straight parents raise gay children. It happens that way in life and has nothing to do with fashion.
  
  There is no "down low" epidemic. Rather, these are just bisexual men who are afraid to let their sexuality be known because–especially for black men–they realize society is not very accepting of anything other than heterosexual behavior and who wants to be ostracized, attacked and alienated by everybody around them?
  
  mrspresident
  
  There are plenty of people who choose to be gay…I know a subset of women who like other women and on occasion like to sleep with other women, but swear they are not gay. They just like variety and to experiment. I’m sorry but that is choosing to be gay!
  
  hotlantaboss
  
  Comments such as this used to get under my skin as a young adult, but I’m older now, and have a much better grasp on life in general. I won’t attempt to convince you of anything, but at some point you need to ask yourself "what do heels and make-up have to do with physical attraction?" Hopefully your conclusion is "nothing." As a straight individual, you aren’t expected to understand things that have no direct impact on you personally, and it’s human nature to manufacture explanations for things we don’t understand. But chile boom, is about all I have to say about that comment. There’s far too much scrutiny involved in gay lifestyles for anybody (with any sense anyway) to choose it. It’ll hit closer to home for you at some point though; a son, daughter, niece or nephew is sure to come.. and you’ll be the one looking long faced thinking "but I hid all my MAC and Cover Girl Queen collection (pun) in the broom closet for 12 years! WTF happened!" Take care
  
  Loving This Site
  
  Craziest comment I have read all day. Reminds me of when my aunt was working in musical plays and had her young son around her. The set director said unless you want your boy to be fruity then maybe you should find him some daycare. People make the decision as to whether or not they want to be openly gay or hide in a closet when they are older, but they have those feelings their whole life.
  
  Dana T
  
  Loving This Site:
  
  Soooo, the set director was an expert on being fruity??? O… I get it, the music would have made the boy fruity…
  Now I get it…
  
  Dana T.
  
  Free Mind
  
  I agree!….I don’t know of anyone nor have I heard of anyone that recall being born.
  
  Gays know they are living unnaturally which is why they pattern themselves after heterosexual couples.You can have two of the same with one pretending to be another sex which makes absolutely no sense to me…Many gays also like to ridicule the church or God because they KNOW they are not living right.
  
  There is nothing more ridiculous to be looking at than these silly men wearing heels and posing like they are women….
  
  People will justify anything as long as they like what they are doing…..
  
  Dana T
  
  Free Mind:
  O gurl you need to be addressed.
  
  The problem here lays in judgement. People talking about shit they know nothing about. The act of love is totally different than the act of sex. Understand, if you and the church are going to make that argument than nobody will have friends or love for thy fellow man. O, did I say love for thy fellow man??? That statement doesn’t seem to have weight anymo. We try to have relationships based off of love just like anyone else. We cheat and lie cause it’s nature, O, that’s taught in the Old Testament. I forgot, bible thumper’s don’t like really preaching the real truth about the New Testament which infects people with the teachings of Jesus and that’s to love the fellow man. DO YOU HEAR ME??? LOVE THY FELLOW MAN!!!
  Catch up… I need for you to read 1st Samuel, Chapters 10 through 20 and then speak on something that has truth not filled with mans insatiable appetite for controlling shit.
  And as far as something being natural or not, "I am the Alpha and the Omega… "I am the beginning and the end"… "I am"…
  
  You tried it…
  
  Dana T.
  
  Dana T
  
  straight to the point:
  
  Gurl, I know you’re just trying to get a rise out of folks cause I know dawm well you r not that naive.
  So, not to say that there is something wrong with me or any other gay person in the world but lets look at it from this point. If someone can be born blind, with lets say a man with one nut, or a person that has a penis and vagina then why can’t someone b born gay?
  
  Dana T.
  
  Lisa
  
  I wish people like you were better educated before publicly making statements that contain not a single intelligent fact.There are indeed people born with an attraction to only their own sex.Not a choice…….a fact…….And despite what you read in the bible Jesus loves all of us .God made us all his children and I beleive he loves the gay man or woman he created in his own image who cannot help how they were born.Thats how they are born.God loves all his children and you should not judge and maybe you won t be judged yourself.Im sad for your narrow mindedness….
- lockstress
  
  Uhm…I think they’re born the way they are born.
  I’ve seen some 8years old that I’ve looked at like…hmmm….you ain’t got to come out…its written in mac!
- miguel
  
  Thank you @straight to the point for being one of many with common sense…now I wont bash anyones opinion ill just state mine’s…which is no one is born gay, I will say at a very young age you may take a liking to something and get curious and over time you’ll chose which sex you like…as stated by previous comments things can happen when your at a young age whatever it may be than that will put the idea in your head…but hey just my opinion…
  
  tori
  
  Being "GAY" or "LESBIAN" may be a sexual orientation but it is also an ACT! Now a person may be born with feelings to sleep with the a person of the same sex but it is a CHOICE to do so! There are people out here that are attracted to CHILDREN & BABIES but know its wrong, but they still have those feelings & decide not to act on them because of the consequences! I’m NOT COMPARING PEDOPHILIA & HOMOSEXUALITY all I’m saying is that engaging in ANY type of sexual activity is an ACT of choice (except in the use force)!!
  
  Dana T
  
  Miguel:
  I’m unclear as to how and why you guys are talking about shit you know nothing about.
  From your comments I’m deducing that non of y’all have had sex with the same sex. I know you haven’t cause you wouldn’t b making these one dimensional comments. Dudes r making the choice to b ostracized by society, their family’s and not to mention the awkward act of sex itself??? I know that some people think that being gay is wanting to b a girl, dress like one or snap your fingers or what the fuck eva but that’s not true. It is much more involved than that. Here we are again, with the media being the main reason why folks r still thinking that we, in a couple thousand years are here to take over the world with our gayness. It starts in the home??? Well so does teaching your children that calling women bitches, lying, stealing, having kids at 17, not wanting to know anything other than Two Chainz or some other ghetto azz rap song is important and not to know the importance of learning or anything else that could give your kids a value system.
  
  Dana T.
- Renee
  
  There is a genetic mishap or something in the brain to cause someone to become gay. Good Points.
- miguel
  
  @doubting Thomas being hetero was choosen for us by god in my opinion
- Doubting Thomas
  
  @*straight to the point*:
  
  OK, and who are you to judge anybody? Day after day, you probably sit around on your fat ass watching rap videos and reality shows, gobbling up all sorts of mental images of violence and whorishness and don’t even blink. But when somebody mentions gays, you reach for the Bible?
  
  Remember, it was Jesus who saved a woman accused of stepping out on her husband from a lynch mob-led death by stoning. His words: Judge not. Learn a lesson here why don’t you.
  
  Please go flush your head down a toilet somewhere. You’re a hippo AND a hypocrite! And I’m sure angels don’t sing every time you walk outside either.
  
  hotdogsonthegrill
  
  Now you had me scratching my head at the comment you made on the post about Kenya but your are dead on the money this time, couldn’t have said it better myself. I have a gay cousin that I was very close to as a child. We would play after school everyday along with other friends in the neighborhood. My cousin would always say when he got older he wanted to marry a boy, keep in mind we were about 8 years old at the time, well word got back to my aunt who was a devout Jehovah Witness and she beat the living crap out of him and broke both his arms. At 8 years old he didn’t say I want to be gay or I’m gay, because at such a young age you don’t process things that way, he just knew he wanted to marry a boy. So yeah I’m pretty confident in saying gay people are born that way. There are other important things afflicting our community to be so worried about what people do in the privacy of their own homes.
- Doubting Thomas
  
  The problem with black folks is they spend too much time worrying about what man is sleeping with another man and other such nonsense. Most of the people who worry over such things are women who can’t get–or keep–a man, and men who are probably hiding the fact that they themselves want some dick in their life. Why else worry about where somebody else’s penis is going?
  
  Newsflash: Gays have been around before any of us got here, and they’ll be here when we’re all gone. So, why not worry about your own "spiritual salvation" and leave the judging to God?
  
  Loving This Site
  
  The same book of the bible that condems gays also condems eating shell fish, but my momma pastor be at Red Lobster every Sunday. IJS
  
  mrspresident
  
  They may have been around but it wasn’t as rampant or acceptable. And who’s judging you? I think everyone is stating their own opinions…gain some maturity and learn to listen to differing voices. It won’t hurt I promise.
  
  hotdogsonthegrill
  
  How do you know it wasn’t as rampant or acceptable…exactly how old are you?
  
  Doubting Thomas
  
  @mrspresident
  
  Your arrogant ass doesn’t know anything. How would you know what’s "rampant" or not? Only when people starting openly embracing their sexuality and deciding to stop being victims of discrimination did the gay rights movement become galvanized. So that invalidates your "opinion".
  
  Speaking of those, however, opinions can be dangerous. Why? Because, for many years, whether you know it or not, it was people’s "opinions" that ensured slavery and Jim Crow continued. Likewise, it was "opinions" that saw to it that women didn’t earn what men earned, nor enjoyed the right to vote.
  
  It was also George Bush’s opinion that Hurricane Katrina didn’t require a serious response. So much for opinions.
  
  You clearly are someone who likes to talk without thinking first. Here’s a newsflash: Obama’s already married and he probably wouldn’t want you even if he wasn’t so find a new screen name dear.
  
  mrspresident
  
  No you are the one who’s quite ignorant. All the things you stated as opinions where actually laws dummy. And what the hell does Obama being married and not wanting me have to do with it? Since he’s married I would hope he didn’t want me. It’s delusional gays such as yourself who seems to believe that everyone must agree with you or their opinion doesn’t count. You can’t invalidate my opinion because I can think whatever I want to. You are entitled to your wrongness. And you didn’t see gays all over television and movies until recently which you agreed with. I did not state a reason so you are actually agreeing with me. Again no one is judging you and just as you feel you have a right to state your "opinion" so do I. Now get yo life!
- Supa
  
  I think that there are some people whose brains were wired differently from the start and others who have been indoctrinated into the lifestyle in some way, i.e.: have an overbearing mother who castrates her son, have a parent who makes their child feel ashamed of their bodies at, particularly at the start of puberty for fear of their child being overly sexual young adults, was sexually molested, etc… We can not discount the fact that traumatic experiences does have effects on us and depending on the person, those experiences can manifest itself in a multitude of ways, including how we identify sexually. It is dangerous to think that gay people are ONLY that way by birth because it leaves a bunch of people who "turned" gay as a result of a traumatic experience scared to speak up and deal with the trauma, and in the case of the trauma being molestation, we will never be able to address pedophilia or child-on-child sexual abuse because we are refusing to acknowledge it as one of the reasons why people will identify as gay. Basically, perpetuating the abusive cycle. It’s the same as when a child witnesses or experiences domestic abuse. Some of those who witnessed it in their homes would say I would never do that and I’m stopping the cycle, and others would be so traumatized that they wind up switching roles from being abused to being the abuser. I know that some people refuse to accept how fragile our minds are, but it has to be said because even though those people might mean well, they are unknowingly contributing to the problem of those who are gay because of another reason other than being born that way.
- td
  
  @ATlien
  
  I will explain to you why men act like women and visa versa. It is the Devil. People should not say they believe in God; and that they believe the Devil exist; but postulate that the Devil is not up to no good; that we are all living life w/o reason.
  
  Can we agree that God is perfection personified? That He is perfectly perfect, never made a mistake, ever? And can we agree that God created man in His image? And can we agree that God made woman from man’s rib, making Him the Creator of all mankind?
  
  If you agree with all of the aforementioned, than bare witness to said Scriptures:
  
  Genesis 2:24
  
  "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." NKJV
  
  And…
  
  Genesis 3:16
  
  To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." NKJV
  
  Genesis 2:24 states that man shall be joined to his WIFE, and the two shall become one flesh. It said nothing about man being joined to another man, whatsoever.
  
  Genesis 3:16 states that a woman’s DESIRE shall be for her HUSBAND. It said nothing about a woman’s desire shall be for another woman, whatsoever. It also said that a woman shall bring forth children; which is something she can NOT do with another woman.
  
  This is God’s word. And anything that goes against God’s word is of the Devil. It is the Devils job to deceive. The people who act out against God’s word is being controlled by demons they are not aware of (I’m talking about all sin, even sins I commit, not just homosexuality). And by the time the demons leave them, they are so use to his/her lifestyle that they think said lifestyle is who they are. But it was not how God intended it to be. READ HIS WORD.
  
  Man is to desire woman and woman is to desire man. Now, I do not judge and blame people for being gay/lesbian at all. I love them dearly, as God loves them. But they are being fooled into believing they are who they think they are. I’m a sinner too. No one can be void of sin. Therefore, I am not judging. I’m stating God’s word. Read it for yourself.
  
  As the Bible states in Ephesians 6:12: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." KJV. This is describing the Devil and his demons that we wrestle with daily.
  
  The Devil intends to make people go against the word of God. Gay and lesbian people are good, intelligent, kind, considerate and wonderful people. But they must understand that God did not make them to desire the same sex. Again, it goes against His word. And God can not deny His word.
  
  Therefore, who ever states that gay men and women were born that way is a LIAR. That defective gene rhetoric is baloney, to be nice about it! It is like they are implying that God is flawed; that He is not perfect; that He is a liar. It is God who grants one life; so why would He go against His word and create a defective gene in any of His children? Preposterous!
  
  That is hogwash orchestrated by evil influences. Or someone is simply trying to find a reason for what they consider the unexplained. But I just explianed it to you.
  
  NOTE: all people are to be loved and not mistreated. God does the correcting. Not man.
  
  May God bless you and yours, always.
  
  WAKEUP!
  
  THANK YOU so much for this. Just because everyone accepts it doesn’t mean it’s right. You were put on this earth to reproduce, 2 men and 2 women cannot reproduce. This world is so accepting of everything wrong, but nothing Godly. It’s ridiculous. The Devil is truely busy, and it’s a shame that you all are falling for his crap and right into his trap. Wake up, the Devil is trying to make you think that it’s ok because we see it on tv, and around us, but just like there is right there is wrong and this is clearly wrong. This world need prayer. Oh and please don’t boycott me for stating my opinion, you all get on my nerves with that too. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you or your lifestyle, they are labeled as the scum of the earth. Just like the Devil, Sneaky and Tricky, making yall think its ok now. Shame Shame Shame. SMH Lord help us all.
  
  Dana T
  
  TD:
  Although I can appreciate the fact that you have opened your bible and written the text word for word from the first book of the Old Testament it would probably do you better if you read a little further, lets say into the New Testament. The old Testament also explains how a slave master and a slave should treat each other. Soooo, should we go back to calling white folk massa??? Would that be alright or will you find a justification for why it’s not alright and if you do I’m sure that justification could apply to the gay thing.
  
  Dana T.
  
  mrspresident
  
  Ephesians addresses homosexuality also. It’s a sin just as lying, adultery, fornication. One sin is no greater than the other, but God hates them all. Sin seperates us from Him.
- lexdiamonz
  
  I still think we choose our sexual preference and wo we decide to sleep with And!! who cares WHO IS ZOOMING WHO I HATE the fact they want to "research" or explain homosexuality like it is a disease or birth defect RESEARCH a pedophiles brain or DNA I could give a damn about a TAXPAYING LAW ABIDING GAY productive citizen….it is a slippery slope to go down to try to analyze someones sexuality soon they will try to classify it as a DISEASE and try to "cure" "IT"……
- Natasha
  
  i have had this argument with many people to the point i steer clear from it. i always felt people are born gay and yes there are some people who have experiences that make them gay. almost everybody grew up with or seen a child where you just knew they were a lil different. yes you shouldnt judge but i know a boy i grew up with who we called peaches from 7 years old til this day, he grew up in a religious home, had a lil girlfriend at 11 and all. he came out to my mom (idky they aint close) at 14. i had a female friend who came out to me around 13 and she’s married to a woman now. some people are just born who they are and its time people just accept it for what it is. its not like they going around trynna poke or lick you, its the wolves in sheeps clothing you gotta watch out for.
- Doubting Thomas
  
  @td
  
  I’m on vacation so I have some free time and in the course of kicking back, I decided to get into SFTA today but quick question for you: Who in THE HELL do you think is gonna read all of that mess?? Are you even for real right now? You illustrate my point so well. You chime in with THE HEAVENLY HIT SQUAD because you read something that ruffled your choir robe. Listen, you’re not God. Let Him do the judging and you get back to your embroidery or putting plastic on your furniture or whatever else you do with your boring life.
  
  The Bible says a lot. And in some instances, it says nothing at all. For example, NO Bible EVER said Jesus was born on 12/25–but you probably think its a Christian holiday, huh?
  
  Why don’t you share your views with the whores, scoundrels, and money grubbing Pagans inside of your church. They probably need more holy water and scriptural testimony than anybody on this site.
  
  td
  
  Your reply does not faze me, whatsoever. I expect attacks from you. And I know of your influence. Sadly, you might not be ware of him. You are not supposed to understand. I was already warned about you. You represent the number of those who defy the living God; but you think you are on point. Not to mention my post said @Atlien; and not whoever you claim to be.
  
  Your moniker speaks volumes about your ignorance. And until I am blocked, I will continue to teach the word of God that you foolishly tout as judging, when I vehemently stated the opposite was my intent. Get behind me Satan! The blood of Christ will prevail.
  
  And you are correct: Jesus was not born in the winter. He was born in the Spring. Also, Jesus does not look like the Jesus you probably believe to be Him: a blond haired, blue eyed Jew He was not.
  
  Now I could go against how God wants me to conduct myself and verbally push your wig back, using proper sentence structure and syntax, with cogent conflict reasoning. But I won’t. Why? It is too easy.
  
  A wise theologian once said: One does not show strength when they choose to attack another. No. To be meek and humble is to display strength beyond compare. Loud mouth louts get off on being internet gangsters. I do not. I just want my people to know the difference between good and evil. Choose your side this day. But for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
  
  Enjoy the remainder of your vacation. I must love my enemies, as hard as it is to do so. Therefore, I love you. Persecute me for teaching God’s word if you wish. I’ll let God deal with you.
  
  Doubting Thomas
  
  @td
  
  LOL, your phone might have a calendar app but if not, this is the year 2012. Did you know that? You seem stuck in some sort of biblical time warp and your David Koresh-ish language is rather creepy, awkward and somewhat misplaced considering where we are: SFTA.com, not Jerry Falwell University.
  
  You are clearly a religious zealot and possibly mentally unbalanced. That’s obvious. I actually don’t wear a wig, I have dreads, so the wig pushed back comment was wasted. But I commend you on not taking your language to another level because A) you might reveal the real you, i.e., the you that’s hiding behind the hyper-scriptureaiized blather you keep regurgitating and B) the verbal retaliation I offered would be a muthafucka.
  
  Dear, we all can read so please save the HOOKED ON BIBLEPHONICS for a more appropriate site. And nobody started a let’s get the church lady’s opinion on reality TV comment section so use the exit behind you.
  
  Before you leave, check this out: If your whole purpose in life is to fight God’s wars, i.e., trying to be the Hip Hop Joan Of Arc or something(?), then have it. LOL, you’ve got a lot of work to do. You can start your crusade with the Republican Party, where most of the evil dwells. But get off that high horse of yours and stop trying to be over-sanctified. You sound phony and I’m suddenly bored with you.
  
  Press eject.
  
  td
  
  Your rhetoric is hypobole disguised as intellect. But you are fooling no one but yourself. Put the dictionary down, Beavis…or Butthead…or whichever you are. If my response to your attack were to get vile, it would only be the expression of me being a human and responding to buffoonery.
  
  It would also represent me being flawed, as I expressed in my original post when I stated I, too, am a sinner; so my intent is not to judge anyone. However, in your flawed display of comprehension, you obviously missed the aforementioned.
  
  For some unknown reason only you are aware of, you chose to attack my post, because I mentioned God. And one possible reason you chose to do so is because you feel convicted by what you read (demon perhaps?). There is no other possibly explanation to explain the jargon you typed.
  
  You seem upset though. Is that because you can dish it but you can’t take it? Perhaps you have intimidated others into silence with your attempt at being intellectually astute; but me you can not. I fear no man or woman; on the internet or in person.
  
  Bottom line: The word of God stands and will prevail. And God please forgive me for allowing my carnal self to respond to this individual.
  
  td
  
  Teaching is not judging. Know the difference. I mentioned love too many times for you to postulate I judged someone. And you can not deny the Scriptures I referenced.
  
  But you felt convicted by my post, because, most likely, your lifestyle represents who the post is referring to; so you felt compelled attack my truth; God’s truth. Can you counsel God? Can you tell Him His word is wrong or flawed?
  
  I love all people. I don’t care about his or her lifestyle or sexual orientation. I have defended gay people when others wanted to fight him/her. And I took fist-lumps for defending. When you read, comprehend. I answered the flawed gene premise. God gives life. He is not flawed. God knows every person who will come into this world and what his/her life will be like.
  
  Therefore, why would He purposefully defy His own word and allow a gene to control one’s sexual orientation? All sin is a demonic attack. All deseases are demonic attacks. The world/the ground has been cursed since the FALL: Adam and Eve’s sin. Knowledge is light. Ignorance is darkness. The Devil/demons can only exist in darkness. Choose the one you wish to dwell in.
  
  mrspresident
  
  Clearly you are just unhappy and hear to cause dissension. Fall back it’s not that serious. And you should probably read the post before commenting. Use some common sense.
  
  Dana T
  
  Doubting Thomas:
  LMAO!!!
  
  Dana T.
  
  WAKEUP!
  
  I love this. I really like you. Thank you again. And for the record @Doubting what does it being 2012 have to do with anything. He is still GOD! And the Devil is still busy, You’re proving so right now.
  
  td
  
  By the way: since you told me what you are doing, I’ll tell you what I am doing.
  
  As I type this, I’m in a high rise building in Manhattan, New York getting prepared to air the live, Chase Bank-sponsored, benefit concert at Madison Square Garden. I’m completing a 16 hour work day and surrounded by millions of dollars worth of equipment entrusted to me and my staff daily.
  
  Yes, I work hard for my six-figure salary. And ALL the glory belongs to God, through Christ Jesus. When I leave work at 11:00p tonight, I’ll drive my convertible SL Mercedes to my place and sleep and be back at work tomorrow morning at 7:00a. I’ll then might choose to drive my H2 Hummer back to work.
  
  So much for the boring life you claimed I am living, w/o knowledge of who I am and the God-blessed career I’ve enjoyed for years, with a corporate credit card. A career…not a job.
  
  If I am lying to you about the aforementioned, than God do to me as You wish.
  
  And I only stated the above, due to you stating I have a boring life. But I still love you.
  
  Doubting Thomas
  
  @td
  
  LOL, OK now that you’ve said ALL of that…ask me if I care. Hmmm, you drive a lot of cars, especially for a not-so-car friendly city like New York. How bizarre. (And gas guzzlers at that).
  
  You sound kinda like Kenya. But I digress.
  
  God can do anything He wants to you, I’m cool with it. But I want to know why with all of your many fine accoutrements, big salary and extensive responsibilities, please tell us, Hilary Clinton, what on Earth are you doing teaching Sunday School on SFTA on a Wednesday–and why?
  
  Dear, I don’t drive an SL or a Hummer. And I don’t have to because what I DO have is sufficient and paid for and it does what ALL cars are intended to do at the end of the day: Get me from point A to point B, V-16 engine or not.
  
  OK, let’s pretend you have all of these nice things. That bullshit aside, I noticed you didn’t thank God for giving you the breath in your body and the use of your hands, legs and sight and sound to enjoy those things. Go figure. Sounds shallow, Mrs. Creflo.
  
  Baby, if your car and office is all you have to be thankful to God for then honey you are like a lot of lonely and bitter people out there who are trying to have it all–and end up with nothing. Face it, dear, you’re fake. The first clue was that you had to come on a website and brag about a car to people who don’t know you and probably wouldn’t want to if they had the chance.
  
  And dear, if your name ain’t Oprah, then baby, you are just getting by in my book.
  
  You’re desperately clinging to a Bible and a bank account because you have nothing else meaningful going on. I know people like you. Sadly, you think sending people to hell is gonna get you into heaven. It won’t. People are living and loving and enjoying their lives while you’re trying to figure out how to keep that cold, lonely bed of yours warm.
  
  Goodbye, lady. Your Hummer motor is running and ready to drive you away.
  
  td
  
  All of that is implied. It goes w/o saying. I contribute numerous amounts of money to the source of my spiritual teaching: my church. I gladly, financially support the kingdom of God every week. Do you? Trust me: God knows me by name. And He gets my 10% and an offering weekly. If only you knew.
  
  I’m not even supposed to have these kind of exchanges with you. And I will hear about it in church. But again, I addressed Atlien. I said not a smigget to you. But you chose to add your few cents. I now know why. Everything I have belongs to God. Everything I will gain in my future belongs to God.
  
  You speak from ignorance even remotely mentioning how I live my life; whether it is "boring" or not; or whether I only thank God for superficial reasons, w/o knowing who you are talking to and what I had to endure to get this far; which is only a tatse of where I am going.
  
  And for the record, I would not claim to be the man of God, TD Jakes. TD is the initials of my real name. The aforementioned is to the person who keeps talking that TD Jakes nonsense.
  
  This is what I’ll be told in church: "Why do you continue to trade barbs with people who don’t matter? The Spirit of God is not at work in them. If it were, than they would not attack someone who is proving a point using the word of God. And still expressing love for all. God can not use you, if you don’t humble yourself and not allow your carnal self to answer rhetoric you don’t like. You must live according to the spirit. Not according to the flesh…," something I still struggle with. "You must remain meek and lowly, as Christ Jesus did. They told Him He was wrong as well. When He was absolutely correct. And He died for the sins of the world, having committed not one sin. This is why you must love everyone, despite what they say about you. This is the only way God can affectly use you to do His will."
  
  I’m trying Lord. I really am trying.
  
  Donna
  
  @td, did you just come in here bragging about money and cars, while mentioning God? How arrogant and pathetic. Your self aggrandizing hurts the image of the church. You should stay away from confrontation. The stentch of your mindset wreaks all over this post. I could have listened to Rick Ross if I wanted to here all of that flossin’ crap. You weren’t talking to me but brain farts stink up a whole post.
  
  WAKEUP!
  
  @TD I can see where you are coming from, and I love every comment you made, But they are too far gone to try to bring back to reality, the best thing to do is just pray for them. They will all see in the end, who are weak fell to society and the devil’s temptations, or who were strong and served the LORD. Not the majority, which is truely sad. Just pray for them @TD that’s all we can do.
  
  Dana T
  
  TD:
  Okay dude…
  In today’s mega church, compounds, deity ministers and bishops, it’s not good to brag about how much money you make and how well off you r.
  I don’t know dude, it could devalue the work you claim to be doing for GOD…
  I don’t know…
  
  Dana T.
- Sharon ‘Shay’ Maney via Facebook
  
  Interesting.
  
  versatile
  
  OMG!! I KNEW this was T.D.Jakes about 50 blogs ago and someone laughed at me! Now I’m scared! Whoda’ thunk T.D.Jakes hung out on SFTA??** And now he says "until I’m BLOCKED"!! And of course he won’t be blocked cause like a tree planted by the water..he..shall not be moved! This is gonna be like on Apollo Live. You know when the church singers come out and get to sing a whole song off key..the clown is no where in sight and no one dares boo? Poor Doubting Thomas is fighting a losing battle. I had a comment on sexuality but I don’t think it’s gonna sit well with T.D.Jakes..so I’ll slip mine in on Sunday while he’s in church. Bye.
  
  Doubting Thomas
  
  LOL @ versatile. Oh I get it now. td is Jake’s drag persona, huh? I wonder if she lips synchs to those old Patti LaBelle songs from the pulpit?
  
  versatile
  
  Hey Thomas..I can see that lil’ bit of Kenya you talkin’ bout.lol
  
  versatile
  
  Naaaah forget that. T.D.,I know you mean well but thing is chit done changed. God’s word hasn’t changed, just chit. Aint’ no "MAN RULING OVER NO WOMAN" no more. And if one tries I’ve got a bat AND bullet with his name on it. People are individuals made in God’s image but we are not GODS. We’re simple beings just trying to make it on this earth. Some of us have taken so much grief for being who we always were that we wish earth’s gravity would let us float away. Hiding like leppers for no cause of our own . If we’d clung to man’s interpretations of God’s word we would be far more miserable in this free country. Take a look at the holy people in the holy lands. They’re born hearing bombs. Been fighting throughout their very existence. Strange men beating,killing,disfiguring women because a lock of her hair escaped the dark centuries old wraps she’s forced to wear. Those women are born to suffer and die serving perverted men who actually think God meant for them to live this way. Homosexuality was here even before God sent angels into Sodom. No man can explain or erase it. Meantime we will continue to evolve. Heteros create more harm than gay s. Their te one sin need of sermons. Stop the wars. Feed your children. Support your wives. Stop the senseless violence. Oh, and PAY YOUR MAMA RENT FOR LIVING IN HER BASEMENT! AND LEAVE HALLE BERRY THE F*CK ALONE!!!!!!
  
  td
  
  If you think that is what life is about, than that is on you. Most of what you’ve stated has nothing to do with the premise of my post, whatsoever. Your talk of overseas conflict is a failed attempt to be something you are not. I state again: my intent was to prove the scientist are wrong.
  
  I used Scripture. You voiced your own opinion. But I don’t care whether you agree with me or not.
  
  There are prominant theologians I have studied who have broken down Scriptures in other languages word for word. Notice I said studied; not assmued what the word of God is saying. People who feel convicted will voice their own opinions to appose the word of God. It makes them feel secure about who they are.
  
  And I don’t feel gay people do harm to anyone at all. My post did not target gay people. It targeted scientist who attempt to explain someone’s sexaul orientation by using science to back up their hypothesis. You all are missing the point, because you feel convicted; or because you don’t like to include God in your conversations. And when I did, you chose to voice your two cents; even though I directed my post toward Atlien and spoke of me loving everyone. Go figure.
  
  I TARGETED SCIENTIST. AND THEIR HYPOTHESIS IS WRONG. I have nothing against gay people. I have family who choose to live their life as they wish. But I still love them dearly. And I love gay people, straight people, all people.
  
  I am a sinner, myself. I sin daily. I repent daily. Again, my post was against scientist. And if teaching someone something constitutes that I am judging them in someone eyes, or sending them to hell, which is not even my call to make, than my point was totally missed altogether. As for your ending, profane insults, that is a testament to who you are. Not who I am.
- Doubting Thomas
  
  @td,
  
  Listen, I would be the last person to come between a mentally ill person and his/her quality time and or venting on the blogs but I’m really NOT feeling your dialogue. Maybe your infinite wealth has blinded you to a few inconvenient realities, one being that you cannot proselytize the world. Especially if the world ain’t paying no damn attention to your manless ass. And even if you could save the world, would SFTA be a good place to start?
  
  Dear, its all entertainment. You invited yourself to ridicule once you attacked me with those endless posts and then whipped out the Benz and the Hummer and stuff in some sort of feeble attempt at guerrilla biblical warfare or something. I was ambushed!
  
  Here’s some news: Gay people have every right to live their lives as you do. If they are good enough to do your hair, and they pay their taxes, and serve in the armed forces, then how come they can’t marry and live in peace and marital misery like anyone else?
  
  Another tidbit: If you really want to rail against the gays, then start at that church you love so much. I bet you the choir is filled with ’em. It usually is. Oh, but they get a pass because they "tithe" just like you do. Gotta keep the pastor’s puzzy bill and Benz paid.
  
  td
  
  I’m done with you. Why? Regardless of my countless statements about me not targeting gay people with my post, you still insist that I was.
  
  As a result, you either can not comprehend what you read, or, and God forgive me for saying this, you are just plain stupid. Lack of comprehension skills I can worth with; you know, I’m pretty patient with children. But stupidity is another demon altogether.
  
  Poor little thing. You are gay and you thought I was targetting you. But that is your mistake, not mine.
  
  Fact of the matter is: if we were face to face, you COULD NOT outwit me on what I know to be the truth: the word of God. I’d have you running and checking your underwear for a possible mishap. Conversing with you is fruitless. I’ll gain nothing by it. So I’ll leave you with this. Jesus said in Luke 9:5: "If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them." Enough said. My dinner is here. Got to love those corporate cards.
  
  versatile
  
  ***!!!***(looking around)***!!! I think he’s GONE! I think Thomas’ lil’ azz slayed him with pro-sely-tize. You PROSELYTIZED our blog demon!! YAY THOMAS !! I’ll never doubt you!
  
  Suthernhummingbyrd
  
  But I’m still over here HOLLERIN at Thomas asking him why he chooses to teach Sunday School at SFTA!Yes, I’m a few posts late, but that was TOO DAMN FUNNY!And T.D., btw, being boastful about ur blessings is NEVER going to get your point across,you just come across as a typical self-righteous Christian.
  
  Doubting Thomas
  
  @versatile & Suthernhummingbyrd
  
  That td person is clearly disturbed. But I had to laugh at his/her ridiculousness. He went from praising God to praising Mercedes Benz to apologizing for being unholy to being unholy again and then summed it up by calling me gay. Of course, this was right after claiming his comments had nothing to do with "gay" at all. LOL. Case study in mental illness.
  
  td dear: Jesus wants no part of you. At all. Maybe you need to listen a little closer to all those voices you keep hearing in your head. And no one here cares anything about your make believe job, make believe cars, or make believe office that you pretend you are at while getting gourmet dinners on an imaginary black card. Please get you some help. Its bad when you gotta lie about food mane.
  
  I guess once NeNe claimed she was rich, all these weirdos and deadbeats started claiming the same thing. In reality, td is probably a 400 pound pig who eats chicken by the pound and sits around all day watching bootleg porn and fantasizing about an orgy with Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long and Shirley Caesar.
  
  LXL
  
  I was cracking up at that bible thumper, lol. And those are the main and I mean main ones you have to watch out for.
- Vay
  
  "OMG!! I KNEW this was T.D.Jakes about 50 blogs ago and someone laughed at me! Now I’m scared! Whoda’ thunk T.D.Jakes hung out on SFTA??** And now he says "until I’m BLOCKED"!! And of course he won’t be blocked cause like a tree planted by the water..he..shall not be moved!"
  
  @ Versatile I am so stuck on THIS here comment that my stomach is hurting. Yes it was I that laughed at you when you called "TD" TD Jakes a while back and yes I am still laughing…Lord I forgot what the topic was fooling with you. lol
  
  versatile
  
  lol! This is a fun place in’it?
- LiveinyourTruth
  
  I’m someone who goes to church faithfully and yes i am a Homosexual male , God knows whats right or wrong with Us so please stop the bible thumping because im sure your sinning in a few areas of your own lives .
  
  mrspresident
  
  He said he was a sinner…people need to read and comprehend better. God calls all out sin so Bible thumping needs to be done by all…you and me included.
- James Is An Atlanta Jeweler
  
  @atlien I want to send my comment directly to you, I give you so much credit and respect when it comes to your blog. Why? Because you allow your readers to express themselves towards each other, as well as to you, regardless of whether they agree with each other or not. Or whether they may agree with you or not, and you don’t "BLOCK" them for disagreeing with you.
  
  Your blog has me rolling sometimes with some of the comments your readers post to each other, or to you concerning your blog posts here. In closing, I just wanted to tell you to continue being the woman and online blogger you are. You have my support and vote all day long!
  
  ATLien
  
  @James Thank you sooooo much! I sincerely appreciate your support. (((hugs))) 🙂
- James Is An Atlanta Jeweler
  
  @atlien You’re so very welcomed, I appreciate what you’ve said, just keep doing what makes you the talk of the town and hopefully the United States Of America one day! LOL!
  
  Dana T
  
  Hey James. This is your good friend Dana T. I am screaming over here at Doubting Thomas. I mean laughing my butt off.
  
  Dana T.
- Baytothea
  
  I feel that it’s nobodys damn business really lol…I don’t care whether a person was born with it or chose to love dack at 35…it has nothing to do with me. Two consenting adults can do what they do. The fact that the debate is so heavy is really amazing to me…
- Kash511
  
  I always thought it was a choice until I met a bro & sis fraternal twins. He was flaming & she was butch how do two siblings just choose this!? It’s just the way they’re wired.
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